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Post by nomad on Dec 17, 2007 22:37:51 GMT -5
#1. What people say they will do and what they actually do are usually different.
#2. People's activities are usually habitual.
The language of the mouth, the language of the body. Study each other. What does it mean to be unified intent?
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Post by nick on Dec 18, 2007 11:01:30 GMT -5
We are running in cirlcles. I heard we need no more knowledge... Gapping. Whatever word you like.. What does it mean to be unified intent? To me, as I recieve your question, it means 1:to be original and 2:the world to know itself with no limitation. |
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Post by nomad on Dec 18, 2007 23:46:19 GMT -5
Maybe there is no bridge afterall, but a means of crossing that which is separated, not separate.
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Post by brujo on Dec 21, 2007 16:41:28 GMT -5
The nagual is not ruled by time.
It is seeing your path of energy in the world from beginning to end. This knowing is not just a philosophical view but actually available to the point of "seeing" events and the capacity to act in consequence.
How does this happen? Synchronicity to merge with other awareness happens in a physiological level that change the currents of our energy. When we become aware of stalking for example as a force we create a momentum that allows us to shift those currents by simultaneously illuminating them at the same time.
We begin to glue clusters of information together and dissolving the rules that bind them.
Once enough space is cleared and dreaming is done to an extent of complete awareness of the dreaming and sleeping state. We develop different senses that where once guided by the rules of perception in this world.
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Post by HSH on Dec 28, 2007 18:01:19 GMT -5
nomad:
maybe the mouth is mislead, maybe the body is mislead, maybe they both
nick:
gapping the bridge...
reminds me on silvio manuel and his failed attempt to cross carlos and his disciples over the bridge to the second attention
brujo:
so you are already seeing your end?
and: rearranging clusters of information seems to be a good concept. but how do you know where to dissolve and where to clue? after all, the rules of perception of this world aren't so bad, or they wouldn't have been preferred by evolution. so what gives you the right to say they should get ignored, and what do you want to put in their place?
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Post by nomad on Dec 28, 2007 22:45:20 GMT -5
I suppose the grand trick here is that nothing can be misled. The real question is about the seeing. For example in my experiences witnessing my total life path many things became clear that still could not be altered.
The nagual rules all. However the 'mouth' reflects our minds and as such our perception (as we typically experience ourselves today). This cannot be a deviance from truth yet it begs attention to the gap that would appear to exist between the perception and the directive awareness itself. How can we account for our ever-persistent unhappiness?
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Post by nomad on Dec 28, 2007 22:47:46 GMT -5
Oooh, and just yesterday I was told that the mind prefers conflict to resolution because it gives itself a sense of purpose... Food for thought.  |
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Post by brujo on Jan 1, 2008 15:36:18 GMT -5
Unhapynness comes from chosing a path that -can- be changed.
I seen my end and it gives me the freedom to chose the path I live. Its only when I forget to find my self and pause that unhappyness comes.
Any human being that experiences pain, unhappyness and lonelyness has experienced also the truth.
It is the power to heal our selves.
brujo
Happy New Year.
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Post by HSH on Jan 2, 2008 18:34:00 GMT -5
the mind prefers conflict...
that's the same as Heraklit: war is the father of all things
of course, he didn't mean is as it's nowadays usually understood
he meant it, conflict in the mind gives rise to all the things the mind produces
so it's like that:
conflict - resolution, conflict - resolution, conflict - resolution...
the mind needs this in order to have it's purpose
(but yes, there are people who get lost in the feeling of conflict and don't get to the resolution)
and you certainly don't want to give up your mind?
(or you wouldn't want to continue writing here...)
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unhappyness doesn't really depend on the path
it depends on how you walk it...
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the nagual is a metaphor for the unconscious
(just as the tonal is a metaphor for the conscious)
it's wrong to say that the nagual rules all
as it's wrong to say the tonal (the ego) rules all
actually, it's best to have both of them in harmony
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Post by nomad on Jan 2, 2008 19:35:15 GMT -5
Brujo -- "Its only when I forget to find my self and pause that unhappyness comes."
Music to my ears..
HSH --
"unhappyness doesn't really depend on the path
it depends on how you walk it..."
That is the core of this topic..
I can only speak from my experience and have no interest in right and wrong. I am compelled to disagree that the nagual is any kind of methaphor, however I do agree that the path with the heart reveals this harmony between tonal and nagual.
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Post by nomad on Jan 2, 2008 20:40:08 GMT -5
"The mind needs this in order to have it's purpose... and you certainly don't want to give up your mind?"
Forgive me if I have been presumptuous by linking these thoughts together.. yet, I do not believe that the mind needs to provide for itself a purpose. In fact I would suspect that this tactic can only leave it in isolation. Purpose is the domain of the other and is intrinsic to all things witnessed.
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Post by nick on Jan 3, 2008 10:14:33 GMT -5
just...
gapping
the bridge
hehe
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Post by HSH on Jan 5, 2008 7:59:54 GMT -5
yes, the nagual is not a metaphor
the word "nagual" is a metaphor for that which it tries to refer to
and the word "unconscious" could be used as a synonym for it
provided we don't limit it to the brain
(psychologically, the unconscious consists of dispersed components of neural activity, whereas the conscious consists of connected components)
(and sometimes these dispersed components get connected to the connected ones in a strange way - strange for the connected ones -, and then we "perceive the nagual")
("perceive the nagual with the eyes of the tonal")
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the mind itself can surely have a purpose: to grow and learn
(and hey, isn't THIS the purpose of all things witnessed?)
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Post by nomad lost his password on Jan 26, 2008 0:01:42 GMT -5
The only purpose I know for sure is volition.
Once a woman of broken-heart sought to learn of reiki. The student was asked by her teacher, "why do you seek reiki?"
To which she replied, "I seek reiki to sell for money."
The teacher was appalled and demanded she not return to class. Irritated by this, the woman left promptly.
She never found her healing.
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